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mxylplik2 TUG Member Posts: 9 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 11-19-2004 21:19 I'm doing my research before I buy a T/S. Sat through a Hyatt presentation and loved the property and the flexibility of using less points than what you are allocated by staying less than 7 days or using less than a full 2 BR. So with a biennial plan, you can still travel multiple times over two years. Starting to learn a little about HGVC and it seems to work the same way. I believe HGVC also has a biennial program but I think one disadvantage that HGVC has compared to Hyatt is that there properties are not 2BR lockoffs. Thus, you can't stay in your 1 BR and rent out the studio side. Does anyone have both - which did you like better (e.g., quality of property, flexibility of points usage, availability, ease of reservation, etc.)? Thanks! IP: Logged
eipheltower TUG Member Posts: 116 From: philadelphia Registered: Oct 2003	posted 11-20-2004 06:04 HGVC has point system. You do not need a lockoff. You can use your points in different combinations for staying in HGVC in 2BR/1BR/Studio and trading with RCI. For example, if you have 7000 points (2BR Plat.), you can use 3400 points to trade with RCI in RED season (1BR), and 3600 points to stay at HGVC Orlando/Las Vegas. I normally trade my 7000 for 2 weeks of 1BR with RCI. I pay either $139 or $99 for trading with RCI. You do not pay RCI membership fee either. M/F + Club membership will be less than $700. Overall it seems reasonable to me. ------------------ Essie R. IP: Logged
Emi TUG Member Posts: 115 From: New York, Ny Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-21-2004 10:19 We own both HGVC and Hyatt. The HGVC program is much more flexible for reserving at different resorts. Hyatt has many restrictions, for example, you can reserve at another resort in 6 month window, but it has to be before the week you own. Once the week you own has passed, you are in a limited use period and can only reserve something in a 60 day window. So, if you own a January week and you want to reserve a week at another resort for October, you will have a very difficult time. The units usually do not become available till 6 months before, so for an October week, that would be April. But April is after January, and you will be in the limited use period and cannot reserve the October week till 2 months before, which is August. However, you ability to use that January week expires in July, 6 months from use week. To get around that, you have to use the week from the following year.It seems much more complicated than it needs to be. Perhaps that is why owners tend to buy where they want to use rather than dealing with exchanges. The HGVC program, you get your points in your account and you can use them any way or time you want that year or borrow from the next.If unused at end of year, you can put in an RCI exchange to use the points. It has extremely strong trading power in RCI. HGVC likes to invest in the same areas and they are keep building at the same places, like Orlando and Las Vegas. They have 2 resorts in Hawaii in development and one in South Beach. There are affiliated resorts in southwest Florida. Hyatt on the other hand are building in many upscale places. Hyatt tend to have higher maintenance fees.One important factor to consider is which program has more resorts you wish to visit. If you buy Hyatt, buy where you would most likely go to rather than depend on any exchange. IP: Logged
howiemaurer TUG Member Posts: 213 From: hopedale, ma Registered: Jul 2002	posted 11-22-2004 06:02 quote: Originally posted by Emi: We own both HGVC and Hyatt. The HGVC program is much more flexible for reserving at different resorts. Hyatt has many restrictions, for example, you can reserve at another resort in 6 month window, but it has to be before the week you own. Once the week you own has passed, you are in a limited use period and can only reserve something in a 60 day window. So, if you own a January week and you want to reserve a week at another resort for October, you will have a very difficult time. The units usually do not become available till 6 months before, so for an October week, that would be April. But April is after January, and you will be in the limited use period and cannot reserve the October week till 2 months before, which is August. However, you ability to use that January week expires in July, 6 months from use week. To get around that, you have to use the week from the following year.It seems much more complicated than it needs to be. Perhaps that is why owners tend to buy where they want to use rather than dealing with exchanges. The HGVC program, you get your points in your account and you can use them any way or time you want that year or borrow from the next.If unused at end of year, you can put in an RCI exchange to use the points. It has extremely strong trading power in RCI. HGVC likes to invest in the same areas and they are keep building at the same places, like Orlando and Las Vegas. They have 2 resorts in Hawaii in development and one in South Beach. There are affiliated resorts in southwest Florida. Hyatt on the other hand are building in many upscale places. Hyatt tend to have higher maintenance fees.One important factor to consider is which program has more resorts you wish to visit. If you buy Hyatt, buy where you would most likely go to rather than depend on any exchange. HGVC has another resort under development in South Beach? Can you tell me where? Also, where are the resorts under develpoment in Hawaii? We'll be @ HHV over the holidays. Thanks IP: Logged
Kal TUG Member Posts: 2138 From: Seattle, WA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-22-2004 08:40 For quality of property, Hyatt is second to none: * Sunset Harbor - Key West, FL * Hacienda del Mar - Puerto Rico * Beach House - Key West, FL * High Sierra Lodge - Lake Tahoe, NV * Main Street Station - Breckenridge, CO * Mountain Lodge - Beaver Creek, CO [Vail] * Windward Pointe - Key West, FL * Highlands Inn - Carmel, CA * Coconut Plantation - Naples Coast, FL * Pinon Pointe - Sedona, AZ * Wild Oak Ranch - San Antonio, TX * Grand Aspen - Aspen, CO New resorts under development: -> Grand Cayman (7-mile beach) Property acquisition phase: => London, England => Paris, FR => Maui (Ka'anapali) Purchase an affordable property and use the points program to stay at ANY of the Hyatt HVC resorts. With a little advance planning HVC owners won't have any problems getting the reservations. IP: Logged
dgriffin7 TUG Member Posts: 66 From: Hinsdale, IL, USA; Westin Mission Hills, DVC Villas at WIlderness Lodge and Vero Beach Registered: Jan 2003	posted 11-22-2004 14:56 I am curious: what are the typical/current benefits and incentives Hyatt offers in connection with a developer purchase? I have been well pleased with Starwood in this regards and would be interested in how Hyatt operates as I love their Gold Passport program and properties. Any information here would be appreciated, as Hyatt owners/prospective seem to keep a low profile on this board. Thanks! IP: Logged
cathicool TUG Member Posts: 155 From: Long Island, NY, USA Registered: Dec 2003	posted 11-22-2004 17:16 i've been speaking to a hyatt rep in san antonio, tx (wild oak ranch).... the incentive was 95,000 gold passport points for a platinum purchase, 67,000 for a silver purchase and something like 128,000 for a diamond purchase. there are 2 and 3 br l/o units at this location and diamond season is the summer weeks NOT 7, 51 or 52. cathicool IP: Logged
roverjohn TUG Member Posts: 106 From: Burlingame, California USA Registered: Jul 2001	posted 11-22-2004 18:47 I'm also somewhat interested in a Hyatt timeshare, but from the resale market. Are there any recommended sellers who specialize in Hyatt properties? ------------------ RoverJohn IP: Logged
Emi TUG Member Posts: 115 From: New York, Ny Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-22-2004 20:30 Sorry did not mean to imply there is another South Beach property under development.HGVC purchased the land intended for Bay Club second phase adjacent to the resort. It is across the street from Hilton Waikoloa Village. The people staying at the new HGVC at Waikoloa Beach Resort (sometimes referred to as Kohala Coast Vacation Suites) will have pool priveleges at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, much like you do at HHV. They broke ground in Sept 2004 and expect to be able to occupy in 2006. We purchased both our HGVC and Hyatt on resale. There is no difference in ownership privileges buying resale vs from developer. We purchased the HGVC at 50% and Hyatt at 33% of developer costs. This was 2 years ago and they did not exercise ROFR. IP: Logged
Kal TUG Member Posts: 2138 From: Seattle, WA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-23-2004 07:19 quote: Originally posted by dgriffin7: what are the typical/current benefits and incentives Hyatt offers in connection with a developer purchase? When purchasing from Hyatt you will receive various incentives largely associated with the Gold Passport program. These incentives differ from resort to resort depending on the nature of the local sales program at the time of purchase. If you purchase resale, you cannot use the Hyatt Hotel exchange program. Otherwise, every other aspect of the HVC program is the same. This change was implemented over a year ago. IP: Logged
Kal TUG Member Posts: 2138 From: Seattle, WA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-23-2004 07:21 quote: Originally posted by roverjohn: I'm also somewhat interested in a Hyatt timeshare, but from the resale market. Are there any recommended sellers who specialize in Hyatt properties? Check with Seth Nock. IP: Logged
dgriffin7 TUG Member Posts: 66 From: Hinsdale, IL, USA; Westin Mission Hills, DVC Villas at WIlderness Lodge and Vero Beach Registered: Jan 2003	posted 11-23-2004 11:23 Thanks, Cathi and Kal. Does Hyatt provide any Gold Passport status or other similar benefits (i.e. lifetime Platinum or Diamond)? IP: Logged
mxylplik2 TUG Member Posts: 9 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 11-24-2004 21:03 Hyatt has many restrictions, for example, you can reserve at another resort in 6 month window, but it has to be before the week you own. Once the week you own has passed, you are in a limited use period and can only reserve something in a 60 day window. So, if you own a January week and you want to reserve a week at another resort for October, you will have a very difficult time. The units usually do not become available till 6 months before, so for an October week, that would be April. But April is after January, and you will be in the limited use period and cannot reserve the October week till 2 months before, which is August. However, you ability to use that January week expires in July, 6 months from use week. To get around that, you have to use the week from the following year. Has anyone had a lot of difficulty getting a reservation for a time they wanted (e.g., mid-week stays, reserving only 60 days out after your week, use of an 18 month wait list)? [This message has been edited by mxylplik2 (edited 11-24-2004).] IP: Logged
Kal TUG Member Posts: 2138 From: Seattle, WA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-24-2004 21:48 Over the past 5 years, I have received my first choice in EVERY reservation requested. In all cases, these were for resorts other than my "home resort". The requests were for full weeks, mid-weeks, and weekends. In most cases the request was made 12 months in advance, but in one instance it was within 60-days of the requested stay. In one of my owned units, I always apply the points for stays at other HVC resorts. IP: Logged
Kal TUG Member Posts: 2138 From: Seattle, WA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-24-2004 21:56 quote: Originally posted by dgriffin7: Does Hyatt provide any Gold Passport status or other similar benefits (i.e. lifetime Platinum or Diamond)? Hyatt provides Gold Passport status as a Platinum Member. IP: Logged
sethnock TUG Member Posts: 620 From: New York, NY Own: HGVC Las Vegas,Orlando & Flamingo, Hyatt, Marriott Desert Springs, Marriott Summit Watch, Manhattan Club Registered: Jun 2002	posted 11-24-2004 23:00 Hilton South Beach is sold out and in the resale phase. Hilton is one of the most flexable programs. Hyatt is also a flexable program, but restricts the day of the week you can check in. Both companies have great properties. Hilton has 29 locations whereas Hyatt has about 10, but both companies continue to build. Both companies have Right of First Refusal; Hyatt exercises it often. Hilton exercises it based on price, Hyatt exercises it at their discretion. Recently, I have had alot of Hyatts taken on right of first refusal. ------------------ Seth My Website IP: Logged
frankhi TUG Member Posts: 138 From: St. Augustine, FL weeks@Hilton Bay Club,Marriott Kauai Beach , Hyatt Beach Club Registered: Jul 2002	posted 11-26-2004 13:44 I own a Hyatt, a Hilton, and a Marriott. They are all great, to the point that I wouldn't let the choice influence my purchase. I would go with the property and (resale)deal (from one of those 3) that I liked the most. IP: Logged
mxylplik2 TUG Member Posts: 9 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 11-28-2004 06:15 Can anyone explain how the 18 month wait-list works with Hyatt? 1. I believe you have to have points in your account when the unit is available and they try to fill your request (as opposed to having the points when the reservation is made). 2. What happens when they fill your request and then you later need to cancel? Is there a fee to get on the wait list? I'm sure there is a fee to cancel. IP: Logged
mxylplik2 TUG Member Posts: 9 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 11-30-2004 04:51 Ok - newbie here at timeshares but I went to a presentation at this T/S at Bonita Springs and fell in love. There are two paradise pools, a lazy river ride, a kids pool, an adult pool. You can use the pools at the Hotel - two pools, one with a slide. It seemed like we had the pools to ourselves! Nice background music poolside. Nice waterfall effect. 2 BR villa had granite kitchen countertops, washer/dryer, sofabed, screened-in patio, DVD with receiver & speakers, double bathroom sink, big jacuzzi tub, king sized bed, studio-side had microwave, mini-refrigerator, sofa. Top quality. Not crowded (although going in September might be the reason why). Unlike Orlando, beach is 15 minutes away. Golf course on site. Top notch restaurants in Bonita Springs and Naples. Chops Steak House, PF Changs (great for lunch), etc. A great relaxing vacation (lazy river was really nice) and a top notch resort with not a lot of people. I couldn't ask for much more. After all that, here is my question. What timeshare property compares to this one at Coconut Plantation? A lot of properties that I am looking at have only one pool, many are in Orlando with no close access to beach. - Nice, numerous pools; - Top quality, luxury; - Not crowded; - Quick ride from the airport (I think its about 20 minutes from Fort Myers Airport); - Beach nearby (15 minutes); and, - Top restaurants nearby (many in Bonita Springs and in Naples). Let me add another criteria. Personally, I live in the Northeast and have two young kids (pre-Disney age). The flight is only 2 1/2 hours and really convenient as I don't want to have my kids travel far/ for a long time. There are obviously really nice resorts all over the world but for my family, due to location and other factors noted, this one fits nicely. Would love to hear what else compares to this fabulous T/S property. Thanks. (cross-posted on Yahoo Hyatt Vacation Club Group Board) [This message has been edited by mxylplik2 (edited 11-30-2004).] IP: Logged
SPARTANINPR Non Member Posts: 280 From: Dorado,Puerto Rico/Naples,Florida Registered: May 2003	posted 12-03-2004 17:14 OK,here goes.Hyatt sells deeded weeks that can be converted to points.Ther are 2 ways you can use your membership.1)fixed week 2)points.Let's take them one at a time.Fixed week:From 12- 6 mos. prior to your week you have exclusivity to your unit.You MUST reserve your unit 6 mos. out to guarantee it.You can cancel your reservation anytime up to 24 hours before your week for a $49 cancellation fee.If you cancel your week automatically converts to points.Option 2:Every year ,your points are born on your deeded week and you have a minimum of 18 mos. to use them.Example:you own week 1 2006.Your points are are available 12 mos before,ie;week 1 2005.They can also be used up to 6 mos. after week 1 2006...12 mos. before-6 mos. after.To clarify, you CAN request an exchange up to 18 mos. out.So, you can own week 1 and put in a request up till July the following year.The only time you have to request 60 days or less is if your week 1 has passed.Essentially,you are getting a 6 month safety net in that situation.When you put in a request(up to 18 mos.)you go on the Hyatt waiting list.At the six month mark before any given week Hyatt knows which owners at each resort have reserved their guaranteed week and which one's have not.They go down the waiting list and fill the inventory.It's important to note this is an INTERNAL Hyatt waiting list so it works pretty well as some other owners here have stated.You aren't competing with other II owners for Hyatt inventory during that time.If you stay for 3,4,or 5 days and/or take less than a 2B,the number of points are prorated.Think of it as a debit card or checking account.The othe r great thing with Hyatt is with the split weeks that inventory doesn't show up in II where you can only trade by the week.So if you stay 3 days in Carmel and there are 4 days unoccupied in the unit,the inventory is only going to show up to other Hyatt owners.Whew!Was that confusing enough?LOL PS.No fee to get on waiting list [This message has been edited by SPARTANINPR (edited 12-03-2004).] [This message has been edited by SPARTANINPR (edited 12-03-2004).] IP: Logged
mxylplik2 TUG Member Posts: 9 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 12-05-2004 20:44 Following your example, let's say I wanted to stay at Hyatt on June 25, 2006. I get my points January 1, 2005 and I immediately go on a waiting list for June 25, 2006 (almost 18 months out). After one year, its January 1, 2006 - but now I'm in my LTD Club Use Period where I can only reserve within 60 days of the reservation. So basically, the 18 month wait list allows one to bypass the 60 day reservation requirement? Now if I don't get it, my points expire and become worthless. [This message has been edited by mxylplik2 (edited 12-05-2004).] IP: Logged

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