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hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-12-2001 22:59 I recall reading several messages on this board regarding the units at Pahio At Ka'Eo Kai not having any AC. Several Tuggers indicated that the lack of AC was not a problem for them. I decided to go for two weeks. This confirmation was made in July, 2000 for July 27-August 10, 2001. Well, we just returned from a two week stay there and had to live in front of the fans. It was not so much due to the temperature, which was in the 80's. It rained daily in the North shore. We did get some breeze from the tradewinds, but it was HOT! The windows and patio doors stayed open the entire time. It was so hot in the units with only a ceiling fan over the bar located in the dining area. There was no fan in the living room, which was huge. The guest bedroom had a ceiling fan, but the master bedroom had a portable fan that we kept in the living room. We moved that fan all over that room. Due to all the windows and doors being open at all times, we heard conversations from all over the place. You would hear people coming in and out of their cars and units. What a nightmare. The units are very close together. This is not a place to stay in during the summer if you cannot stand heat. We suffered for two weeks with the heat and bugs. Maintenance had to come twice to our unit to spray for ants and roaches. We bought some Hot Shot Roach spray from the store for the water bugs and lizards. I guess you know that the lizards kept on running around after being sprayed with a half can of spray. Of course, there's no spray for lizards, but we don't like them in our unit. I guess we'll have to go to Canada or some place colder for next summer. I plan to send in a review on our stay before the week is out. It's back to work in a few hours. Hajjah
LeeB TUG Member Posts: 1146 From: San Jose, CA, USA Mountain Retreat, Makai Club, Winners Circle Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-12-2001 23:08 Too bad you chased the lizards. Geckos love to eat mosquitos and roaches. That's why they are considered lucky in the islands. ------------------ Lee
bigeyes1 TUG Member Posts: 2087 From: Texas Registered: JUN 2001	posted 08-13-2001 02:25 Thank you for the warning of this resort. I currently have an ongoing search for Hawaii for June/July/August 2003. This resort is listed as one of my options to choose from. After reading your post, I may want to reconsider that option, though. I don't really remember reading this resort NOT having AC. Does that mean that all of the Pahio resorts are not equipped with AC? Hm. Something to find out for sure. If any of you know for sure, I would very much appreciate it to hear from you. Thanks. Trish [This message has been edited by bigeyes1 (edited 08-13-2001).]
Kristin TUG Member Posts: 196 From: Kennewick, WA, but wishing I was on Kauai... Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 11:17 Very very few resorts on Kauai have air conditioning. It's not considered needed most of the time. We stayed at Ka Eo Kai in June of 1999 and had no problem. We were on the ground floor, however, so that may have kept things cooler for us. We stayed at Bali Hai this year, and did keep the sliding door cracked to allow for better air flow, but it was not unbearably hot (and I usually like things really cool). The Makai Club Condos have an A/C unit in the bedroom, which helps keep that room cooler. Those units don't have as good of ventalation (IMO) as the Pahio units, and so the A/C unit is more needed. Sorry you had such miserably hot experience. BTW- I love the geckos.
rhonkus TUG Member Posts: 1388 From: Rosharon, TX, USA Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 12:12 Now I am really nervous. I have Pahio at Shearwater starting next July 4. While we are used to very hot weather here in Texas, we are also used to air conditioning. My children will not be torlerant if it is too hot and my vacation would be ruined if I had to drown them in the pool (Just kidding for those with no sense of humor). Have I made a mistake?
teepeeca TUG Member Posts: 646 From: vacaville, ca., usa Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 14:30 I guess it's time for me to say something. I usually NEED air conditioning!! I've been going to the Pahio since 1988, each year, except the Iniki (hurricane) year. Only once, as far as I can remember, for part of one day, would I consider air conditioning, a necessity. There are usually gentle trade winds blowing all of the time. When I have been there, I think the hottest temperature was 88 in the late afternoon. It usually runs from 82-86, with the nighttime temps in the low to mid 70's. I find it laughable that someone from the east coast would complain about the heat/humidity. It is ten times worse on the east coast, as far as I'm concerned. I'll trade on of my Lake Tahoe units for the Shearwater in a heartbeat. (And I LOVE Lake Tahoe!!!) Tony
hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 15:15 Yep, we live on the east coast and have air conditioning. It is badly needed when the weather gets so hot. I understand that it reached 105 degrees in Newark while we were away. I can stand the heat, but the three of us were miserable in Pahio. When we walked into the unit the heat hit us in the face. Despite the fact that we kept the drapes closed to keep the sun out during the day, IT WAS HOT!!! There are lovely windows surrounding the unit. You also have to bare with the noise from the cars and people talking or playing music. I left NJ to get away from all of that and certainly did not want to hear anyone's music. I had to call the front desk on one occasion because the people below us, who checked in a day after us, blasted the radio. Now come on. This is a bit too much. The conversations across the court and next door were loud as well. This happens all around you. The units are close together. Are we the only people who had this concern at Pahio At Ka'Eo Kai? The noise is horrible. On another note, I had the map of the resort with us that was included on this board from a fellow Tugger. It helped us so much upon check in. We checked in at the airport at 4:00 p.m. We were able to tell the person at the desk what we did not want. I had those units closest to the main road crossed off. I was able to get unit 7B, which was not on the main road, but near the garbage dumpster. Well, the noise from the garbage trucks, lawn mowing and hedge trimming nearly drove us crazy several times during the week. Don't forget, the windows and patio doors must stay open for air! Who needs all that noise early in the morning several times during the week while you are on vacation? As for the message about the geckos, my daughter stayed home because she has a phobia of lizards that would cause her to have a nervous breakdown. She is only nine. We aren't afraid of them, but I don't want to see them crawling around in my unit. Yes, we did spray them and use the beach mat to get them out of the unit. If there had been only one, I would not have had a problem, but several got into the unit and we just are not used to things crawling around in our house. We knew that lizards would be outside the units. That was not a problem. Sorry for the long message, but I just want those who may have a problem with not having AC to be prepared if they are staying at Pahio during the summer. It pays to be a member of TUG. I hope to send in our review before the week is out. Hajjah
hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 15:39 Tony, if you are talking only about Shearwater, that isn't the same as Ka'Eo Kai. Shearwater is located very far from the main road into Princeville. It is situated up on the cliffs with much more breeze. Not Ka'Eo, which is right along that main road and the traffic noise is a bit much with those windows open at all times. Sorry, we would prefer to have AC in Kauai. Hajjah
AE TUG Member Posts: 1388 From: Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 16:43 We stayed at the Shearwater in February - even though it was only in the low 70's the units felt quite humid because of the lack of air conditioning AND we only had one day of rain.
bigeyes1 TUG Member Posts: 2087 From: Texas Registered: JUN 2001	posted 08-13-2001 18:06 Ok. This confirms it. I'm taking all of the Pahios out of my ongoing search for Hawaii. So, any suggestions on which resorts I should put in my ongoing search? Which ones you like and why them? Thanks for the warning everyone. This will be our first trip to Hawaii and I don't want my family and I to be unhappy. Any advice is sincerely appreciated!! Thanks, hajjah for the email. You've enlightened me on the Pahios, that's for sure!! Trish
AE TUG Member Posts: 1388 From: Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 18:31 The Embassy at Poipu has air-conditioning in the bedrooms but this is adequate for the whole 2-bedroom unit.
JanB TUG Member Posts: 1182 From: Sacramento, CA - Owner Kona Coast, Imperial Hawaii, Embassy Lake Tahoe; Port Pacific and Village Resort, Australia Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 20:53 bigeyes1....We've been very happy at the Pono Kai and the SVC Kauai Beach Resort. Also, many TUGgers have enjoyed the Marriott. These resorts are in/near Kapaa on the east side of the island. Near Poipu (south), the Embassy and Lawai Beach Resorts have been recommended. We've also enjoyed staying at the Hanalai Bay Resort in Princeville (north). When you change your search, be sure to confirm with the VC that the resorts you choose to list have AC. IMHO, I personally would not want a unit in Hawaii from May through October that does not have AC. We don't do humidity well. Something to do with the "dry" heat here in CA.
hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 21:07 Don't forget that you have to weigh everything. Pahio at Shearwater is not located near the main road into Princeville. It will not be as noisy. It is situated up on the cliffs over looking the beach. Those units must be a lot cooler than Ka'EoKai. The Pahio units are very spacious. I guess that the Pahio's make up for the AC by giving you plenty of beach towels, bathroom towels, and kitchen supplies. They also have a mid-week towel exchange. We did have to complain about housekeeping though. Since we were at Ka'EoKai for two weeks in the same unit, housekeeping was to come in the second Friday for a full cleaning. Well, upon our return, the bathroom floors looked the same as they did before we left.(Of course we didn't mess them up tuggers.) You could see that the floors in both bathrooms were wiped, not mopped. I had to call the front desk and housekeeping about five times before anyone came over to mop the floors correctly. Other than that, the bugs and the heat, Kauai is a beautiful place to vacation. If you don't mind driving to everything, Princeville will do just fine. We put about six hundred miles on that car in two weeks. That's a lot for us while on vacation. Hajjah
snelson TUG Volunteer Posts: 6520 From: Belly-View, WA. Owner: Embassy Poipu (floating); Winners Circle (Week 52), Raintree Vacation Club; Club Regina Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-13-2001 23:34 bigeyes: We're at the Embassy as I write this. When I get back I will post a review that will focus on my thoughts comparing Embassy, Marriott Kauai and Lawai Beach Resort. (We have stayed at each of these in the last three years.) ------------------ Steve Nelson Don't go around wondering what people say about you. If you knew, you'd only learn a lot of unpleasant things about yourself.
JEFF H TUG Member Posts: 2286 From: Tucson,AZ Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 03:11 hajjah: I know exactly what your talking about. It may be true what others are saying about not needing AC most of the time. If the units have good cross ventalation and the Trade winds are blowing you won't need it as they do keep things cool. When the trade winds stop blowing and you have poor ventalation its pure misery. I have experienced this twice. Once on the big Island in Sept and once in Kauai in Aug. Another time we stayed at the Pono Kai on kauai in Sept and its was also very hot and humid in the unit. The unit had AC in one bedroom only and the living room. The Living room unit didn't work and My daughter ended up having to sleep on the floor in our bedroom with the AC. Atleast in this case we had one cool bedroom to escape the heat for sleeping.
bigeyes1 TUG Member Posts: 2087 From: Texas Registered: JUN 2001	posted 08-14-2001 06:46 Wow!! I'm just truly amazed by the lack of air conditioning in the resorts of the most seeked out area. Do the resorts not realized that having AC should be included in their units? I wonder if the resorts have received many complaints on this particular issue? If so, it seems to me that they would have done something about it a long time ago. What do the resorts say when you complain about the lack of AC? Do they try to accommodate you in a better unit that has better ventilation from the trade winds? I'm just truly stunned. Trish
ragtop TUG Member Posts: 465 From: National City, CA, USA Registered: FEB 2001	posted 08-14-2001 07:40 It's more important to have good circulation in Hawaiian buildings than A/C. The current weather on Kauai is 88-90 degrees for the high, with the trade winds at 10-25 mph. If the buildings are oriented correctly, the trades will blow through and keep things comfortable, especially at night when the temperature cools down. Some people may prefer the A/C comfort and others may be glad to get away from the A/C noise and let the winds do their job. If the winds are not coming through the unit, then the architect didn't do his or her job well! [This message has been edited by ragtop (edited 08-14-2001).] [This message has been edited by ragtop (edited 08-14-2001).]
AE TUG Member Posts: 1388 From: Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 09:13 When we were at the Shearwater in February we had to put the towels and even some of our clothes in the dryer for a few minutes in the morning to get rid of the dampness. Also the units may be fine now but we have stayed in older resorts in Hawaii which smell musty because of the continuous dampness (that comes with any tropical climate). I think that a lack of air conditioning may be short-sighted as its purpose is also to dehumidify, not just cool.
ElaineA TUG Volunteer Posts: 388 From: Mundelein, IL, USA - Owner @ Enchanted Isle, FL; Causeway on Gull, MN; PAHIO @ Ka'Eo Kai, Kauai Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 11:17 As an owner of Ka'Eo Kai, our newsletter tells us that they have installed AC in some of the units along the road. This way you can close up to reduce the road noise and yet keep cool. I remember which buildings have been done and if they are doing more. ------------------ Elaine - Central Region Reviews
Harmina TUG Member Posts: 758 From: Ont. Canada Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 13:26 hajjah...Sorry you had such a bad Hawaiian vacation. We were at Lawaii beach resort in Feb. a couple of years ago and it didn't have air-conditioning either. We knew this when we accepted the exchange, we took a chance. Daytime temps. were beautiful and it cooled down in the evening. We didn't have any problems with bugs or anything. We own on Maui and prefer Maui, however we found Kauai to be a very beautiful island. There is more to do on Maui. You mentioned coming to Canada next summer, it is not a cold country in the summer. We have broken record temps.this summer. You would not want to have been here the past 3 weeks. It was HOT and HUMID!! I love the heat but it was unbearable. ------------------ Harmina Yake
hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 19:11 Thanks for the postings. We don't mind the heat at all. I understand that the heat index in Newark last week was about 115 degrees. What's important is that we have AC to cool off once we get out of our air conditioned cars and walk into our homes/timeshare units. We were never able to cool off inside the units at Ka'EoKai. Everyone couldn't walk around naked all day, especially with the windows and doors open all the time. We had to restrain our eyes(smile)while sitting out on the deck and walking to and from the units so as not to see into the other units. This was very hard to do. Folk are going to try to be as comfortable as they can when they are inside the units. Most people kept their drapes open at all times. You could see and hear everything. JMHI As for Canada, it's not a problem with the heat. We only want AC inside the unit. Hajjah
hajjah TUG Member Posts: 693 From: USA // Owner: 2 weeks=Dikhololo, 1 week Mt. Amanzi, 1 week Perna Perna Mossel Bay (All SA) Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 19:21 Elaine: I asked the maintenance person about the AC in the units and he indicated that only a handful have AC. We were offered unit 12A(I think), but we wanted the top floor with the vaulted ceiling. I guess you can't have everything. That's really the bottom line. Now, while on vacation, that may be another story. It would be in Pahio's best interest to put AC in all of the units, not just those along the main road. We were in 7B and the noise from cars and trucks on Wyllie St., garbage trucks, lawn mowing etc. drove us crazy! Hajjah
Cat Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 3260 From: Now in sunny Florida! Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-14-2001 19:31 We had the same experience as Hajjah, while we were at the Cliffs Club in October. During the day, the unit would be very hot and still. At night, it cooled off enough to sleep, but the open windows/sliders allowed in all the road noise, plus noise from other units, not to mention the rooster that lived in the scrub weeds in back of our unit, and had a habit of starting his day with blood-curdling crowing at around 5AM each day. Not fun. ------------------ --Cat baricat@yahoo.com
hibbeln TUG Member Posts: 511 From: Rochester, MI Registered: JAN 2001	posted 08-14-2001 19:39 OK, now I've just GOT to jump in! Come on people, if you can't live without AC, then go to the Polynesian Resort in Disney! This is exactly what you're going to Kauai for....it is NOT Waikiki. And yes, in the year 2001 there are still places without AC! We were at the Lawai Beach Resort (Alii Building) in July and while all the locals were complaining because it was SO HOT (the trades stopped blowing for 7 days) we thought it was pretty OK. It was hot 90 degrees + but there was always a wind blowing off the mountains or off the ocean. As long as your unit is lined up so the wind blows right through it from the ocean to the mountains or vice versa, you are comfy as can be. I think this is where the south side of Kauai has a definite advantage......drier climate = less mosquitoes and less humidity. The only place I was bitten by a mosquito on Kauai was up in Princeville. But come on, it's a blinkin' rain forest! You have to figure it's going to rain and be humid and there will be mosquitoes. I do know that the LBR is going to purchase portable air conditioners that can be rented for people who absolutely want them. But I have to say that I found the weather delightful!
Mary W TUG Member Posts: 86 From: Registered: DEC 2000	posted 08-15-2001 09:28 We own at both Shearwater and Lawai Beach Resort, so we're obviously biased. We love Kauai and go there every year, usually in June, but we've also gone in February, August and October. Neither resort has air conditioning and we have had some humid, sticky days to contend with. We've also had days (and evenings) with such strong cool winds coming off the ocean that we were glad we had extra blankets for our beds (especially at Shearwater.) If air conditioning is an absolute essential for a happy vacation for you in the tropics, then don't set yourself up for frustration by accepting an exchange in a resort that doesn't offer it. Take advantage of all the information available on the TUG board before you put your resort requests in. Each family has to decide what is important for them (Different strokes for different folks!) For us, the gorgeous view from the lanai at Shearwater, and the great location of Lawai Beach, are worth the trade-off in not having air conditioning.

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